Tuesday, June 2, 2020

GOD AND THE MORALITY OF A NATION

Many modern Christian leaders are fond of pointing out that God is standing at the ready to punish the United States (and other Western nations) for its (their) sins. Of course, the majority of these prophets of doom have a few very specific sins in mind when they say such things.

Notice this exchange that recently took place on Pat Robertson's The 700 Club:

“How can God heal our land and forgive the sins when abortion and same-sex marriage are laws and many people are anti-Israel. Doesn’t this prevent his healing and forgiveness?” a viewer named John asked on the television program.

In response, Robertson said John was "right."

“The Bible says ... turn from their wicked ways," said Robertson, adding, "We are not turning when we have done terrible things. We have broken the covenant that God made with the mankind. We have violated his covenant.”

“We’ve allowed this terrible plague to spread throughout our society. And it’s a small wonder God would hold us guilty," he said. “But the answer is, you confess your sins and forsake them. Then he heals the land. It’s not before."

see https://www.out.com/news/2020/4/21/pat-robertson-same-sex-marriage-plague-caused-coronavirus 

Likewise, many years ago, Herbert Armstrong wrote in his The United States and Britain in Prophecy:

It will now be made plain — from God's own warning prophecies — that this greatest multiplied intensity of corrective punishment will fall on Britain and America — including British peoples in Commonwealth countries. And it will strike them down first!
   But they are not the only nations to suffer corrective disaster. God is Creator of all other nations, too! God is concerned about the people and races we have called "heathen." They, too, are human. They, too, are made in God's own likeness, with the potential of being molded into God's spiritual and character IMAGE! God sent the apostle Paul to Gentile nations!
   All mankind has rebelled against, rejected, and turned from God and His ways! There can never be peace on earth until all nations will have been turned to God and His ways, ruled by His supreme government!
   All mankind, right now, is caught in the vortex of the swiftly accelerating crisis marking utter destruction of this world's man- built, Satan-inspired civilization...God will use a Nazi-Fascist Europe to punish Britain-America. Then He will use the Communist hordes to wipe out the Roman Europe.    We are entering a time of world trouble — utter world chaos! There is war, strife, violence in Asia, Africa, South America — as well as Europe and North America. The population explosion is a worldwide threat to human existence. Crime, violence, sickness, disease, inequality, poverty, filth, squalor, degeneration, suffering — these infest ALL nations! 

see https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getbook&InfoID=1326034388&InfoType=&page=&return=books 

For these (and many other) preachers, the sins of a nation invite Divine punishment. But which sins are societal in nature, and which sins are personal in nature? Is abortion a sin? Who decides? Does individual conscience play any role in determining whether or not it is a sin? And, if it is a sin, is it a personal sin, a societal sin or both? Likewise, is homosexuality a sin? OR Is same-sex behavior the sin? And, if we say that homosexuality is a personal choice, how can it also be a societal sin? Does a Supreme Court decision make everyone guilty? What about the folks who reject abortion and homosexuality? What if there are fifty people in the nation who reject these behaviors? What if there are only ten people in the nation who reject those behaviors?

What about America's other sins? What about the sins of stealing lands from Native Americans and breaking treaties with them (not to mention all of the deaths that those policies generated)? And, since these were government instigated or led sins, aren't these sins clearly collective in nature? What about the sin of slavery? What about the hundreds of thousands of deaths associated with that institution and the war that was fought to end it? What about all of the societal, political, economic and criminal justice inequities that slavery engendered in America? And how many generations did it take to wipe away those sins? Were those sins laundered away by the generations who succeeded the generations who actually committed those sins? Does a painting that was stolen from a Jewish family actually become the legitimate property of the descendants of the Nazi who stole it? And, if previous generations didn't suffer Divine punishment for their sins, why must the current generation pay for theirs? Is that justice? Is that fair? And, if we say that those individuals paid for their sins, what does that do to the entire concept of collective punishment?

Is God just waiting to pounce on sinful nations? OR Has God "bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all"? (Romans 11:32) Are particular nations going to be singled out for Divine punishment because of their sins? OR Have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God? (Romans 3:23) Is God eager to zap wayward nations? OR Does God want "all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth"? (I Timothy 2:4) And, if that's truly what God wants, is that what's going to happen? Hmmmm, maybe this whole subject isn't as straightforward and simplistic as some of these evangelists would have us believe?  


2 comments:

  1. Hello Lonnie,

    You asked some good questions about God's perspective in responding to mankind concerning sin, judgment and punishment - and salvation. The answer from the Bible is both YES and NO.

    No God doesn't want to "pounce" on sinful nations. He wants man to repent of evil. Any Christian (or even non-religious folks) who've heard of Christianity 101 knows that. But will God judge nations? Scripture says He will. Do certain men have an inside link to God's specific plans of how, what, when, where, why? The Church of God understands some things about what God's plan is. But, we're not linked in to all the fine-print details. Neither is Pat Robertson.
    Nor was HWA. We know that God can punish and judge if He wants to. But, we also know the endgame that God has declared: His strategic plan described in John 3:16-17. Judgment isn't God's endgame. Mercy is! He intends to save mankind: All people who will ultimately respond to the mercy and goodness of God.

    I still believe the basic teaching about prophecy that WCG used to teach. But, I'm not locked in to it. It is not a salvation issue. Responding to the mercy of God and accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and following Him is the way to salvation for man - not precisely understanding the logistical details of how God is dealing with the nations.

    Tonight I listened to a sermon by Gary Petty titled The Kingdom of God. Good sermon that explains things about man and God well. No dogmatic prophecy statements included.

    https://www.ucg.org/sermons/the-kingdom-of-god-9

    Mr. Petty did mention the sin of abortion. Notably, he did not attack the gays or mention anything about homosexuality. (The UCG still teaches that sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage is sin. However, I almost never hear from UCG ministers the merciless gay bashing that used to be a part of the old WCG.)

    God desires mercy over judgment. Mankind will someday be truly thankful for that.

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  2. We all fall short of the glory of God.
    The great humanist Desiderius Erasmus remained catholic despite his critique of that church. Also because he rejected the "new" protestant teachings of predestination as he favored the catholic room for the excercise of "free will".

    In the past I pondered your questions in regard to "health" issues.

    I concluded that many afflictions, even cancer types or mental issues, are the result of sin.
    However not necessarily the result of personal sins but often the sins of forbears or society (use of chemicals or processed foods etc).

    Your particular hwa example I likened to the "yellow scare/yellow peril belief" that afflicted the white nations and the usa especially between 1860 and 1960.

    Hwa "repented" of anti communist writing after his visit to China in the late seventies.

    He said that in "the past decade" he had been shown that God only had a particular covenant with "the Israelite nations" (the dominant white nations/russian communists being asian in yellow peril terms) and that other nations had just been experimenting freely with man made systems.

    Only "the Israelites" (USA) had broken its special and particular covenant with God.

    We can see examples of that as 100 million dollar nuclear rockets are being fired from California to the Marshall islands as we speak and the locals do not have access to even a mediocre hospital unless they come for blood samples or scans to measure the results of "fall out" as an experiment.

    Lets just hope the Chinese are at least impressed with the displayed capabilities so that those sins may not turn toward us like a boomerang.

    A boomerang we might not even be aware that is being thrown, as "the sins of the fathers" in bible speech.

    Nck

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